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Re: La Suisse, Tiers-Monde du joueb?

Claude — Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:33:42 -0000

Hi Mark,

If ever you come back to this thread: What I found most galling in the Swissinfo article is "But Purkathofer at the Technical School for Design and Art feels the medium is unlikely to pose a serious threat.
“Bloggers have no mandate like public broadcasters. Blogs are switched on when a story is hot and fizzle out when interest wanes,”.

Yet when the FBI seized the Rackspace server disks hosting 20 Indymedia sites, presumably because Switzerland wanted the deletion of an Indymedia Nantes page with pics of 2 Swiss policemen who enquire about incidents in Geneva and Lausanne during the G8 in Evian, not one of our "mandated public broadcasters" had the elementary reflex to google "Indymedia" "Nantes" "mirror". Bloggers did, though. And of course, there WAS a mirror, hosted at the Carnegie Mellon University. It's still up, btw. Radio Suisse Romande did mention the mirror, true: but I fed them the info

Other edifying anecdote: on Friday 12/11/2004, La Regione had a weird piece on Hacker protetti da San Espedito, beginning with "Anche gli hacker, i terribili pirati della Rete, hanno il loro patrono" - terrible pirates of the Web? La Regione The source of the piece was Michelle Delio's Patron Saint of the Nerds article on Wired. The journalist at La Regione had taken an ANSA dispatch, and cut off all the references to Wired. In turn, the ANSA journalist apparently didn't know the word "nerd", asked someone, was told "hacker", and assumed that it meant "hacker" in the gutter-press sense of "cracker", and didn't check further.

Bloggers, on the other hand, check their sources for 2 reasons. 1) Blogging is based on hyperlinks, so checking info comes natural: why add a lengthy footnote when you can link to a Wikipedia article? 2) Bloggers know that their readers are likely to go Ctrl-T (well, Ctrl-N for the few blog readers still using Explorer) google.comas soon as they find something odd.
Yet the arrogant ignorance towards online media in general, but particularly towards blogs, is also rampant among Swiss Media gurus. Purkathofer is not an exceptional case. During the World Summit on Information Society in Geneva last December, one of the most expensive "civil society" events was the World Electronic Media Forum (WEMF). Their about WEMF page shows clearly that for them, electronic media means Radio and TV, period.

Re: La Suisse, Tiers-Monde du joueb?

Mark — Mon, 02 Aug 2004 06:40:50 -0000

I'm probably going to regret saying this, but I don't see where the problem is with this article. I've read it through twice to make sure I'm reading it correctly, but as far as I can see, everything the journalist and interviewees are saying is correct. There are far fewer bloggers in Switzerland than in other countries, particularly the UK and US. As to whether they "get blogging" or not, is a moot point: what is there to "get"? I think that the "community" has been summarized as well as possible, give the fact that it's such a brief article.

Re: La Suisse, Tiers-Monde du joueb?

Steph — Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:52:24 -0000

Tu ne m'étonnes pas! Reste qu'à mon avis, un tel choix de terminologie de la part du traducteur nécessiterait au moins une NdT ;-)

(PS: désolée de te décevoir, mais vu la langue dans laquelle s'exprime notre ami Mario, j'ai bien peur qu'il n'utilise pas le terme "joueb"!)

hihi.

Re: La Suisse, Tiers-Monde du joueb?

Stéphane — Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:23:14 -0000

Personnellement j'ai trouvé cet article très intéressant, et sa lecture m'a fait un énorme plaisir. Je le recommande à toutes et tous. :-)

Enfin la consécration !

"«Je m’étonne qu’en Suisse, la scène du joueb ne soit pas plus vivante», affirme Mario Purkathofer, professeur en matière de nouveaux médias à la Haute école artistique de Zurich (HGKZ)."

Vive les jouebs* !

(* : joueb est un mot recommandé par des professeurs en matière de nouveaux médias dans de hautes écoles artistiques)

Re: La Suisse, Tiers-Monde du joueb?

Steph — Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:18:30 -0000

haha!! je vois pas du tout à qui tu penses... ;-)

Re: La Suisse, Tiers-Monde du joueb?

raph — Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:25:16 -0000

Oui ben cet article a été écrit par des zurichois, qui ont préféré parler à un professeur plutôt que de se plonger un moment dans la blogosphère.

Remarque, hein, je connais des journalistes qui ont commencé par s'y plonger et qui une année plus tard n'ont toujours pas écrit leur article sur les blogs mais sont dans la blogosphère jusqu'au cou